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This is by far the best description of SRS I have ever seen.
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This is by far the best description of SRS I have ever seen.
This is by far the best description of SRS I have ever seen.
submitted by aloneinlove to bestof
This isn't a description of SRS it's an analogy. And a poor one at that.
If they stretched that analogy any further amnesty international would have to get involved
The best part of this analogy is that he's likening comments posted by redditors to their actual shits. Not even ironically. It's like, "hey, we're all just shitting out all this shit and it's wrong to mock us for shitting cause it's just shit."
Do these people really have so little control over their writing that it can really be likened to their own crap? Like, if they see woman redditor they just have to shit out a post about stalking her gonewild photos? They can't stop themselves when they upvote posts about how "they don't hate black people, just those dumb niggers"? Their justifications for homophobic language or threats of sexual violence are really all just unfortunate bowel movements? The internet equivalent of the aftermath of an XXL Fajita Plate?
Fine, except reddit comments are (ostensibly) written by actual people. They're premeditated, thought out, and committed to the reddit servers for anyone on the internet to read and react to. These guys actually believe what they're writing and maybe it's good that people are out there reminding them that their shit actually smells like it.
There is a lot of shit in reddit, don't get me wrong.
But then you have a group of bored guys in some other forum making a thread where they cherry pick comments in order to sustain the claim that "All Redditors are assholes".
Ironically, some of them decided to use Reddit itself is a platform to cry about how bad reddit is.
Yeah but that's obviously a fallacy because the people in srs are clearly redditors themselves.
Either way, SRS has ended up being something of a bizarro-reddit. Think about what happens when a video or story of a woman/minority acting badly comes up on reddit. The comments are always full of people saying shit like "This is why I feel X about this minority", "the stereotypes keep justifying themselves", and on and on. Obviously it's not every comment, but that sentiment tends to be very widespread and quite well supported with upvotes. Furthermore, when people try to say how much they're offended by these offensive sentiments they're commonly shouted down, told "it's just a joke", and that they should basically just "get over it".
SRS does this to the prototypical "average redditor" and turns it up a few notches. The effect is that when prototypical redditors go to SRS they (understandably) get upset, but they fail to realize that the "SRS-experience" for them is actually fairly close to the "Reddit-experience" (or maybe even the "whole world experience") for minorities.
The fact that SRS makes so many redditors SO UPSET should be cause for some introspection in the reddit community. It's clearly very upsetting when people make fun of our demographic, so maybe we should be doing a lot less of that ourselves.
Great response. Reddit has a lot of shit that gets upvoted and supported by the majority... I see that "it's just a joke" and "get over it" or worse at lot. I don't understand the mindset that people get so riled up over wanting to NOT meet the minimum standards of a decent human being. It is pretty depressing that more people aren't introspective about this as you suggest.
Shut up, faggot.
Bestof-ing a /r/mensrights post is like linking to the Daily Mail in /r/worldnews; you bring the subreddit's standards down that much lower when you do.
Even after reading that stupid post about toilets and the comments in this thread, i still have no idea what the fuck SRS is or stands for.
that falls apart at the "prevents them from flushing it" for me,since where I come from "flush" meant "delete" and redditors would flip shitkittens if someone started deleting their precious FREE SPEACH. they will never flush, they will only allow the poop to pile higher and higher until they're perched upon a mountain of poop, beaming proudly since everyone can see.
I agree. Back when I used to visit /r/shitredditsays, most posts featured there didn't seem like their original posters were embarrassed about them, or likely to remove them, as this analogy suggests.
I used to have much higher opinion of atheists and feminists before I discovered Reddit.
I used to have much higher opinion of people until I discovered the internet.
I disagree, finding intelligent people on the internet during a time when I was surrounded by idiots was refreshing.
Though reddit has given me a much lower respect of intellectual Americans. There's next to zero respect for democracy and human rights on reddit, which is something I as a Swede was shocked about - even trying to justify not having the death penalty in cases like murder or child rape will yield massive downvotes and tons of hateful comments, very rarely with even a single supportive one.
Remember that reddit nowadays has a vast userbase and a large portion of that is not necessarily all that much intellectual. Most of them do symphathise with the left/progressive world view but lack the mental capacity to be truly critical of their own opinions and beliefs. (See for example: we love trolls, but we hate bullies.)
... And that is pretty much the story of why I stick to the smaller subreddits nowadays, where you can find the actual intelligent Americans.
I know, but the thing is that you almost never see anyone who is capable of thinking for more than a few seconds, and following a logical argument. In the non-american I frequent at least 20% of the posters are intelligent enough to be able to follow a discussion and add something to it, that is down at perhaps 1% on reddit.
Do realise however, that you're already going by the statistics of a smaller subreddit. How does the overall intelligence of a subreddit compare to your regional subreddit when adjusting for size?
Plus, I'm not sure how it works in Sweden, but there's also the factor that reddit seems to be way more 'mainstream' in the USA. In my native country, the Netherlands, you won't find anyone besides university students and young intellectuals using reddit.
But you learned a valuable lesson - a lot of people act poorly regardless of their supposed "values" and then try to hide behind their chosen affiliation like a shield. Ain't humans grand!
And I just learned a valuable lesson, that people make sweeping generalizations about literally millions of people posting in a discussion forum by making a handwave and dismissing them all as "acting poorly".
Lol, that sucks doesn't it. Now you know why mensrights has an issue with SRS.
SRS is not feminism. Not by a long shot. It's mostly (not as much in SRSD) a bunch of trolls who want to mock someone, and thus pick targets that are acceptable (atheists and men are acceptable targets, gays and blacks are not, for example) to do it so they can feel good about it.
Just because someone uses buzzwords like "rape culture" and "patriarchy" doesn't mean they're a feminist, any more than the new agers who spout relativity buzzwords are physicists.
I disagree, I think Reddit is a great platform for atheist discussions.
Yup, pretty much everywhere but in the Atheism sub-reddit oddly enough. Unfortunately, that place has turned into "Gais look I told some Christian he's stupid lolol".
No it hasn't. It's actually home to many good discussions among atheists with lots of different beliefs/POVs.
Of course, it does have 700,000+ subscribers and there is some stupid stuff, but it is the minority. I actually see far more disagreement among r/atheism commenters than I see among people criticizing r/atheism who tend to say almost the exact same thing over and over verbatim.
Plus, I like posts that mock stupid people and I think they perform a necessary service; religion should be mocked more often than not IMO. Although I also like the more high minded stuff as well. I like Shakespeare and fart jokes, too; I don't think it has to be either/or.
You're perpetuating an unfounded meme/stereotype IMO.
Tell us more about how ragecomics and image macros count as good discussion
I didn't, I said that there is good discussion in addition to that. Every big group has ragecomics and image macros.
I also don't think that rage comics and meme pics are intrinsically bad. It depends on the content. Some are great, and some suck. It's silly to rage against a content-delivery method in and of itself, completely removed from what the content is. That's like saying TV IS BAD AND ROTS YOUR BRAIN. There's Breaking Bad, and then there's Jersey Shore.
Reddit is a great platform to promote tribalism.
Eh, I think Reddit is better than most of the Internet in that regard (although of course there is plenty of crap here).
I think there's still a standard of writing and discussion on Reddit that just doesn't exist in most of the popular corners of the Internet where discussion happens (like, say, Youtube comments).
Any platform with some form of content evaluation and sorting will appear that way. It's a lot easier to troll on a forum where posts are sequential and only disappear when a mod removes them.
Well, I think it's an irrelevant distinction between "appears that way" and "is that way". If the more enlightened discussion is more visible to the masses and it's harder to troll, then that's a major asset in and of itself. And Reddit has the best sorting/evaluation of any major site (although clearly not perfect).
Supplementary Restraint System?
A post quoting a reply to a post that is quoting a reply to a post. The recursion, it burns. Soon reddit will be self-sustaining.
I am not a fan of SRS, but this is just a terrible analogy, and is only "bestof" material because of the degree to which it might appeal to those who don't give a damn about fairness or accuracy.
A particularly vehement and graphic example of preaching to the choir is not something that is good.
r/MensRights was designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Here's the link to the article, entitled "Misogyny: The Sites."
Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express.
The article appears in the current issue of SPLC's Intelligence Report, which itself is entitled "The Year in Hate and Extremism 2011."
Are you misinformed or just a fucking retard? Seeing how this myth was debunked over a month ago, I'm going with "Fucking retard"
Srsters are still using this line? Mark Potok himself confirmed this as false but feel free to keep churning this out whenever mensrights is mentioned, it makes people like yourself who have been indoctrinated by the fempire easy to recognise and ignore.
beep boop must defend srs
A “subreddit” of the user-generated news site Reddit, this forum describes itself as a “place for people who feel that men are currently being disadvantaged by society.” While it presents itself as a home for men seeking equality, it is notable for the anger it shows toward any program designed to help women. It also trafficks in various conspiracy theories. “Kloo2yoo,” identified as a site moderator, writes that there is “undeniable proof” of an international feminist conspiracy involving the United Nations, the Obama Administration and others, aimed at demonizing men. -SPLC
r/mensrights is a great place.
"The big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart"
SPLC said so, therefore it must be right? Well okay then. I hereby designate shitredditsays as a hate group. I will not discuss the elaborate criteria by which I have come to this conclusion, nor will I provide references to posts to back up my claims, for I have decreed it is true and you are now free to tar all srs'ers with the same brush.
I don't consider myself an mra but this shit is ridiculous.
To be fair, the SPLC is a pretty credible organization. It's not like some random blogger called it that.
Credibility aside it is not enough to simply say a thing is and have it be accepted as gospel without describing how this conclusion was reached. I would like to see a statistical analysis of what posts are or are not mysogynistic in mra, weighted by up/down votes and with a detailed list of by what means these posts are being judged.
I doubt such a study would be practical or even possible though so until then how's about we judge each post on its own merit rather than simply parotting the same dogma over and over again.
I'm all for an analysis and you do have some very valid points. I hope I didn't come off as being confrontational or anything like that.
I'm a pretty sporadic SRS poster, that being said I totally agree that it can be easy to lose your mind in the circle jerk. I try to take all the comments/posts linked there with a grain of salt, but it's really nice to have a place on reddit that I can vent about things that make me mad (as we all do!). Venting, after all, is pretty cathartic when you may not have the ability to do it IRL.
I do think that you can find hate in almost all groups of people if you look hard enough. /mr isn't a hate group, but it's certainly a group that has hateful people in it. And I think when redditors see such hate then see a credible, outside group reflect the same thoughts/opinions in a report, people will use it as evidence to support their claims. I can't really say I blame them; it's refreshing to have your feelings verified.
Just my thoughts on it, though. I think SRS (especially some of their SRS-related subreddits, as they can act as a safe space for posters) have a place here, and I can respect that it isn't a place for every redditor.
I couldn't care less about what people get up to in their "safe space", it's seeing them wade into discussions and mindlessly downvote any dissenting opinion that bothers me (see my posts, inb4 "my precious internet points"). I've seen a lot more hate and bigotry in srs than any other subreddit I've browsed.
If you lot hate this site so much, why not go elsewhere? No one is forcing you to subject yourself to all the cherry picked "poop" reddit has to offer. Honest question.
I don't know what to say about the downvoting; I only downvote things that are off-topic. I usually upvote anyone I have a discussion with or anyone who is polite about their opinions, like yourself.
I love parts of reddit and dislike parts of it, but the beauty of reddit is that I don't have to see the parts I dislike. I enjoy the voting system, the general anonymity, and some of the inane inside jokes. If I left every website that hosts disgusting opinions I wouldn't be on the Internet anymore.
I don't have to see the parts I dislike.
Then... stop visiting srs? I think they'd have a lot more credibility if they encouraged debate and tried to engage with posters they find objectionable and explain why they are being singled out. It's kind of a shame they way they are really, it's a worthy ambition horrifically executed.
you know that, like, straight up is the opinion of kloo. Like, he's written it down before.
Can you refute it? That entire subreddit is like a never-ending version of the 5 Minute Hate.
"Good news everyone, a new mysogynist to hate. GET HIM!"
r/mensrights is a great place.
Congratulations. You are not even close to touching Finkster's argument:
Mark Potok himself confirmed this [reddit is a hategroup] as false
Notice the lack of the words "hate" or "group" or the phrase "hate group" anywhere in that quote, or on the page from which you are quoting.
Note that their two argument boil down to:
and
And that puts us on par with the KKK?
It's amazing how fast and loose reddit plays with the meanings of words when they have to explain how bitch, slut, whore, and cunt aren't gendered insults, or how calling someone gay or fag isn't homophobic, but when it comes to calling something a hate group, the general definition of which is "an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender" Which mr obviously is, we're suddenly very peculiar about how words are used.
lol a fake news website
It must be liberating being so mindlessly blinkered to opposing points of view. I almost envy you.
Write to him yourself, then. Or, you could just go to the SPLC page in question and see that the words "hate group" are not found anywhere on it.
From the introduction to the list:
The so-called “manosphere” is peopled with hundreds of websites, blogs and forums dedicated to savaging feminists in particular and women, very typically American women, in general. Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express. What follows are brief descriptions of a dozen of these sites. Another resource is the Man Boobz website (manboobz.com), a humorous pro-feminist blog (its tagline is “Misogyny: I Mock It”) that keeps a close eye on these and many other woman-hating sites.
Seeing as that is the preamble to the previously quoted bit the whole "notable anger" line holds additional weight and points towards /r/MR not being the exception to the "guttural hatred" statement (since I assume that would be your next argument).
That's way more words about SRS than ever needed to be written ever.
- create a username
- enter random SRS link
- write the most hateful/racist/bigoted thing you can about straight white males, stuff you'd never normally dream of writing.
- watch the upvotes pour in. The more upvotes, the closer you are getting to the very essence of r/SRS
It's great for practicing multiple personality disorder.
This is the best description? Goodness me, then it must be a really complex concept, because I still don't know what SRS is. Or what this guy is talking about.
Does anyone else find that the older they get, the less of a tolerance they have for shitty analogies? (pun not intended)
I don't really care much either way about /r/SRS but I don't find that posts like this help me to understand anything at all, and I don't even find them very entertaining, either.
Seriously. What the hell kind of acronym is that.
stands for ShitRedditSays
SRS is a subreddit mainly consisting of trolls from the Something Awful forums pretending to or being very politically correct and butthurt about the 'bigoted' things some people say on reddit, especially /r/atheism and /r/MensRights. That's all there's to it, but apparently it's necessary to extend a metaphor way beyond capacity because they've upset a few people.
THIS JUST IN: Most of SRS is apparently not necessarily from the Something Awful forums. That means that they're just regular trolls pretending to or being very politically correct and butthurt about the 'bigoted' things some people say on reddit. An important distinction here, people.
I really wish the paranoid delusions about SRS would either fizzle or get more interesting. We've been dealing with this "SRS is Somethingawful trolls that are jealous of the success of reddit come to destroy it" or whatever for a while. Can't y'all start putting more originality into it? Why not accuse SRS of being undercover agents from the government to hasten the passing of CISPA or something?
The Something Awful thing is indeed what's said most often, so I took it to be atleast partly true. It might not be true. Whether they're a bunch of trolls from Something Awful, 4chan, or from the third moon of Jupiter, I personally don't care. To me, they're just one group of people trolling another group of people that gets unreasonably upset about said trolling, and I am mildly amused at the lot of it.
like, ten of the people who revitalized the current form of SRS are from SA, but that was over a year ago. It's a subreddit full of people who are fucking sick of how hostile an environment reddit(slash the internet at large) is to minorities and the disadvantaged looking to blow off steam
You realize that people don't necessarily come "from" a website, as they are not sovereign nations and someone can be a contributing member of more than one place at a time.
Your 'us' vs. 'them' is a bunch of nonsense.
Except for the part where, if you spend a few minutes in SRS, you will realize that it is them vs the rest of Reddit.
SRS is a circlejerk. Your observation is quite literally the point of SRS.
Bullshit. SRS decided to call themselves a circlejerk when it became extremely clear that most of them couldn't hold an actual discussion without turning into mockery and sarcasm and derailing topics.
And the biggest problem is that this view of "We are much better than the rest of Reddit" is shared across all SRS subreddits. So no, being circlejerk is not a valid answer to my point.
Uh - SRS has been a circlejerk for about a year - because people like you would go in and ruin it. Actual 'discussion' (shitlords defending themselves) was ruining SRS.
Most SRS posters are active members in other subs as well. Because of that, they are not 'from' SRS, but post in both places. You only say someone is 'from' SRS because it's easier to other someone else that way.
You're reading too much into it. I have nothing against the Something Awful forums, nor its users. I'm merely stating that many of the SRS users are trolls that also used to or still frequent the Something Awful forums. Then again, they might not be a bunch of SA users, but just regular trolls. I don't care particularly much either way - trolls they are, trolls they will remain.
That's just one of the many misconceptions people have about SRSers... Another is that we're "offended" by everything... Most of us are too desensitized to actually be offended, we just think reddit is full of assholes.
I agree reddit is full of assholes, but isn't it just easier and healthier to not focus on that aspect and instead focus on what it is about reddit that is so great?
No, I don't think it's a good idea to just ignore problems and hope they go away on their own.
Meh. Either way is good. But I feel SRS is easily the best community on reddit... It's the only place on the Internet i feel is safe from jerks.
Take that stance to its logical conclusion, but also add into your equation that reddit being full of assholes will be intolerable to some people and they will end up leaving. If you keep tolerating and coddling the assholes then you're going to end up with a site where all you've got are assholes... and no one wants to go there.
What happened to not touching the poop? Seems like anything negative said about SRS has been downvoted in this thread.
your posts were bad and you should feel bad?
Hey I'll stand by my shitty post, but anyone who has a negative opinion of, or called out SRS for their pseudo circle jerk in this thread has been ridiculously downvoted. Seems like as much as they'd like you to believe otherwise, it's pretty easy to get those femnazis' granny panties in a bunch.
I dunno about that, but you specifically called out /r/atheism as the "least bigoted subreddit". If you're not seeing bigotry in your reddit, you're not looking hard enough.
I wouldn't call it bigotry. A term more suited would be "exposure of ignorance".
I can't help it sometimes! I need help!
Those aren't really misconceptions.
By that logic, it's more accurate to say that SRS posters are all from facebook, as I guarantee there's a lot more overlap there.
Nice username.
I could have described the whole post I was responding to as a strawman.
Regardless, by claiming SRS is "mainly consisting of trolls from SA Forums", it is quite literally "us (redditors) vs. them (SA Trolls/SRS).
You took a small portion of Hessel's comment and turned it into something that it isn't, and then attacked Hessel for it.
False. Hessel did not literally bring the us vs. them rhetoric. You drew it out on your own. Had Hessel said "SA is attacking reddit via SRS!" that would literally be "us (redditors) vs. them (SA Trolls / SRS)"
I didn't turn it in to anything. Come on, let's be honest here. This accusation didn't appear out of thin air. It's oft cited and definitely with intention. Even if we ignore how ludicrous it is to say that SRS posters are "from" somewhere else, what purpose does it serve to bring up?
You're acting like this conversation hasn't happened thousands of times already. People say SRS posters are "from" SA because it's much easier to understand the "us" vs. "them" narrative. There is no other possible reason anyone would ever bring that up.
So no, I didn't take a small portion of the post to attack them over: they quite literally said "SRS is mainly outsiders who are here to troll." If that's not 'us' vs. 'them' rhetoric, then what is it?
MensRight is objectively a joke. You have to be so goddamn delusional to buy any of that garbage. If you post something racist/misogynist you deserve to be ridiculed.
But you see, the problem is that nearly every single person on earth is so goddamn delusional to think that their personal opinion is the ultimate truth. This includes MensRights and SRS both. And you, too. And last but not least, me. So instead of getting all upset either way about peoples differing opinions on the internet, I prefer to stand on the side and passive-agressively judge all of them, because it's the most amusing.
Your description of SRS is better than the linked one. OP should bestof your comment and give it a hyperbolic title. But then we'd be in r/circlejerk territory. Oh, well. At least you've got my (up)vote.
Sorry but r/atheism is one of the least bigoted subreddits. Apparently you are a bigot if you don't agree with the majority?
Certainly one of the most obnoxious.
Note the use of apostrophe.
Sorry couldn't tell if you were sticking up for them because they are absolutely not pretending. They like to hide behind that "circle jerk" excuse. It may be a circle jerk, but not in an ironic way at all.